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darrin6

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:33 am    -
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I think the more pertinent question is 'What is happening to the United States and The Constitution'? Perhaps american Crushers should give some thought to seceding from the union. We might then be able to form a state free of the limitation established by our self-serving government. I honestly believe that the 2008 election will be cancelled due to some unforseen consequences. What will it take for us to make a stand?


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i agree darrin im not liking the way things are going in america right now at allwe are losing all of our rights!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:45 pm    -
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You can always request a check be sent, it takes a long time, but at least you will get it, Or even a wire transfer? (this cost more) I am wondering about the prizes here at CC, I don't want prize money going to Neteller now, that money is for gambling and they will not let me....


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:35 pm    US Gambling - Deposits.
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I would like to make clear to anyone outside of the US and inside as well that the reason for the US 'crackdown' on internet gambling is not about morals or anything like that. The issue is TAXES! If they cannot tax our winnings they will try everything to stop it. Evil or Very Mad I think that since there is about $6 billion at stake the casino's would try to work something out! I also want to be sure that the gambling itself is not illegal, just the transfer of funds to and from our financial institutions. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:41 pm    -
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each us states have a gambling law you need to read up on your state... i am not sure but when bush passed this last law i think it was just so you couldnt fund with credit cards or bank accounts....but i am not sure... i think what really happened was bush got in over his head with online gambling debt and had the law passed so he wouldnt have to pay up...hehehehe


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:35 pm    -
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« darrin6 » wrote:
I think the more pertinent question is 'What is happening to the United States and The Constitution'? Perhaps american Crushers should give some thought to seceding from the union. We might then be able to form a state free of the limitation established by our self-serving government. I honestly believe that the 2008 election will be cancelled due to some unforseen consequences. What will it take for us to make a stand?


I'm not behind you, darrin.

I am BESIDE you!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:40 pm    -
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« darrin6 » wrote:
I think the more pertinent question is 'What is happening to the United States and The Constitution'? Perhaps american Crushers should give some thought to seceding from the union. We might then be able to form a state free of the limitation established by our self-serving government. I honestly believe that the 2008 election will be cancelled due to some unforseen consequences. What will it take for us to make a stand?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:22 am    -
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I have been receiving emails from casinos that since Neteller is no longer an option in the US to open an account at Click2Pay and some will even throw in a bonus for first deposits through C2P. When I went to the C2P website there is a statement they are not accepting registration from the US. This is getting way to frustrating.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:28 am    -
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Hi there all,

At the moment, I'm being inundated with requests about alternate payment methods. I will take all into consideration and testing them out (some are not available to UK person and those are effectively a 'not going to happen' i'm afraid)...

I will post as soon as things have settled (albeit only maybe for a little while) and post my findings and solutions.

At the moment, 'cash' seems to be the easiest option (via Money Transfer / Western Union), so please look at this, but otherwise please wait until I post further - it will be global / news when it is posted but I'm sorry I can't give an expected time for this at the moment, but hopefully by the start of Feb latest.

Rest assured - all prizes/redeems WILL be paid - somehow - but if they incur more fees than Neteller then I'm considering a split of 50/50 (CC/member) on any additional fees only.

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PS.... IF YOU ARE A US CITIZEN - IT IS ONLY YOU THAT CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN YOUR COUNTRY - WRITE TO THOSE IN POWER, PHONE UP YOUR RADIO STATIONS.. AND UNTIL YOU HAVE DONE THAT - DON'T POST HERE - BUT PLEASE DO ONCE YOU HAVE - SO WE SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS - DON'T RELY ON EVERYONE ELSE.. OR US - CC IS UK-BASED AND REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN TRY OTHER METHODS.. AND AS WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN - THE NUMBER OF OPTIONS IS QUICKLY REDUCING...

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:25 am    -
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Geno, I will accept my cc draw payment as a deposit in my UK casino Action account then I can play and worry about other withdraw systems later maybe the other USA winners would like the same method. I know you can deposit with them because you redeem the cc points with deposit with them . I did that last week. works for me, thanks for considering. Maoreo


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:29 am    -
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Geno and all ~

When I am in the most relaxed and pleasant mood possible, I both telephone and email the U.S. capital in Washington, DC in any spare time I can manage. -- Not only my own state's senators and representatives, but those of EVERY state, since it is a national concern and I am a national citizen.

I force myself to be polite and quite proper, requesting when I feel more like demanding. I am trying a method of "friendly persuasion" and although I am not a lobbyist, I am lobbying the Hades out of every politician I can reach in our nation's capital.

I cannot take my frustrations out on them and remain effective. It is only with my like-minded friends that I can vent.

Thank you for your own efforts on our behalf!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:48 pm    Update on Neteller
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Hi,

Here is an update on Neteller...Thought USA residents would be interested...

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NETeller Has no Way to Transfer Money to US Citizens
Up to 8 weeks is how long NETeller says it may take money transfers to and from the United States. The third party payment firm claims there are no ways to get this money to players living in the States.

Canadians John Lefebvre, 55, and Stephen Lawrence, 46, were arrested earlier this month as U.S. authorities continued their crackdown on Internet gambling.

Electronic Funds Transfers already in progress cannot be cancelled, according to some NETeller representatives, however, the responses have been mixed. A number of people with EFTs dating back to January 16 have been able to cancel theirs, others have not been so lucky as discovered on the Two Plus Two forums.

Some ATM cards have been used to transfer funds. Others in the US have found the peer-to-peer method to still be working. NETeller remains operational for those living outside the States, which is only a feasible option for anyone with a family member living outside the continental United States who can set up a NETeller account. Gambling911.com would caution anyone from using a peer-to-peer transfer method to individuals they do not know.

There are individuals awaiting upwards of six digit figures to be paid into their bank accounts. Affiliates at this weekend's CAP Euro Conference have also expressed tremendous concern over the NETeller situation. Many of the affiliates have encouraged usage of the payment solutions systems extensively for their customers.

Most US correspondence banks have cut off ties to the third party payment service following these arrests.

Here is the email message being sent out to customers:

"Please know, currently NETELLER is experiencing unprecedented volumes through our withdrawals department. Due to this volume, there may be delays of 4-6 weeks for EFT withdrawals and 6-8 weeks for check withdrawals. NETELLER Cards continue to provide the quickest withdrawal option."

Meanwhile, in what could be interpreted as some good news for the online gambling industry, Reuters has reported that the World Trade Organization has again sided with Antigua and Barbuda in its lengthy trade battle with the United States over Internet gambling. The 'interim report,' pending the submission of final comments by the U.S. before the WTO's official publication on the trade dispute in March, rejected the United States position that it was already in compliance with matters original ruled on in an April, 2005 decision.

The narrowly defined appeal focuses on horse racing over the Internet, not touching on online poker or other matters, and it confirmed the WTO's original finding that foreign betting operations suffer discrimination at the hands of the U.S. Through its spokesperson on the matter, Gretchen Hamel, the U.S. hints that it will still likely interpret the affirmed decision in as narrow a manner as possible. "Nothing in the panel's interim report undermines the broad, favorable results that the United States obtained from the WTO in April 2005," said Hamel. The United States still retains the option to appeal the decision once it is finalized in March, and is widely expected to make that appeal.

However, Hamel's continuing comments on the WTO decision suggest that overbroad measures such as the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act may have to be modified in some form. "The panel report clarifies that compliance does not necessarily require new legislation," said Hamel, "but could involve other steps such as administrative or judicial action." The carefully constructed phrase may infer that the U.S. recognizes that some modification of its stance is now necessary.

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Christopher Costigan, Gambling911.com


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:54 pm    -
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hi , well if they dont let casinos in they shouldnt let horse racing in either, even the lawmakers bet big on them and saudi brings their horses over to race if there going to outlaw gam then they need to outlaw it all, and not favor what they want to pick and choose, ty josie46


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:14 pm    -
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That's right, Josie. But it's like alcohol. They will never ever outlaw THEIR mind-altering substance of choice!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:37 pm    -
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Hi,


Well said josie and how true....


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